I attended OU my freshman year as a Sooner football team "Walk-On", but was injured. While working a summer job (Little League umpire) in Shawnee, OK, for an NEO alum, Jerry Carlton, he asked if I would be interested in playing football at NEO for Red Robertson, and I said, "Yes", which would enable me to get a full scholarship for my sophomore year. I really enjoyed my time at NEO, made new friends, and enjoyed some success in football and track that year. I returned to OU, graduated, got married, served in the Navy, and worked for some interesting companies (subcontactor to the Atomic Energy Commission, IBM, Champlin Petroleum, Union Pacififc Resources, and a couple of software companies) until my retirement in 2017.